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dexter - 19. Jan 2009 11:19
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Editorial - 19. Jan 2009 12:39

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Editorial, thanks for your submissions. The thing you have to understand about Photocase is that our rejections or confirmations are never based on what could sell. We, as editors decide purly on our own taste. Thats sounds crazy, I know, but this is the main purpose of the site. So we can assure, that you will find a special collection of outstanding photos, that bring people together who share the same feeling of photography and give people who are looking for photos an alternative source. The selling thing is basicly a byproduct, but we know that our photos sell.

It is crazy Dexter, you are absolutely right and I'm quoting you directly from your earlier text above which I've noticed you have just removed?!? How very courageous of you. Is that how you also deal with reaction to comments including photos you don't like; you hit the delete button?

Let's face it, rejecting photos because they don't meet with the "personal" preferences of whatever reviewer happens to be on duty is almost an insult. That's like letting my 5 year old daughter do the job. She would choose nothing else but cartoons all day.

While I accept there is some exceptional work on here, there is also some absolute rubbish and I don't want to single out any particular photographer because that would be unfair.

If you want to run this site based on the personal preferences of whoever the reviewer happens to be at the time, for God sake don't open it up to professionals. You are just wasting their time.

There are plenty of places where you can get involved in some mutual back slapping and run this as your own personal portfolio but don't try and run it as a commercial entity as well.

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däfi - 19. Jan 2009 13:05

It essentially comes down to this: Photocase is a very peculiar kind of photo-community. It has proven itself not very suitable for people trying to make a living out of it nor for people who take the rejection of their photos too personally. This is an open secret and photocase is not trying to be something it is not.

If you belong to one of the above mentionned kind of people, then, yes, photocase is a waste of time and the approval system might appear to you as an insult. Just jog along then.

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Editorial - 19. Jan 2009 13:20

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It essentially comes down to this: Photocase is a very peculiar kind of photo-community

Nooo, it's not that peculiar. There are hundreds if not thousands of sites like photocase run by people like Dexter and if you look at his portfolio you'll understand where I'm coming from.

I don't take any rejections personally once the reviewer knows what they're talking about. Dexter in my opinion does not. You can't run a photo site and allow personal preferences to influence content. That's just arrogance mixed up with narcissism.

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dexter - 19. Jan 2009 13:22

Editorial, first of all thanks for your post. We've dealt with this kind of opinion for 7 years now Smile but never get tired of explaining what we had in mind when we started Photocase. But I have to say, its ok to not like the concept or criticise my terrible taste, but please show respect for the work of others. Don't call photos rubbish. Its all we demand.

Photocase was never ment to be a site for professionals. We simply don't care if somebody comes straight from university or just got a 10$ camera. We set up Photocase, because we didn't really like what we could get at other photo sites. We wanna provide a sort of different kind of photography besides all headset ladies and cliched dripping photos of halfnaked women. For us photography is passion, atmosphere, catching a moment, rather then producing photos after a certain plan to sell them the most.

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Dot.ti - 19. Jan 2009 13:26

always the same discussion. what is complete rubbish for you might just be absolutely georgeous for others. what else should tip the scales than the taste of the people who run the site? there are no objective criteria in photography (or art or however you might call it)

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steffne - 19. Jan 2009 13:28

I completely agree with däfi. What companies do, is offering something to the market. None of us has to take those offers. Analogy to Mc Donald's: As a customer, I would not say something like "those products are a waste of time, money and health to professional fast food eaters, so McD's should change the way they create their products". I just don't eat at McD's anymore. Customers' co-creation of value is a good thing (e.g., making suggestions, creating a community that is attractive to other people). However, this too is nothing more than an offer to the company. Otherwise, go get your own, better photocase.

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xtra06 - 19. Jan 2009 13:31

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While I accept there is some exceptional work on here, there is also some absolute rubbish

there might be people who find "you" rubbish wonderfull

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If you want to run this site based on the personal preferences of whoever the reviewer happens to be at the time, for God sake don't open it up to professionals. You are just wasting their time.

when somebody is new to this side (whether professional or not doesn't matter) they are free to look around, inform themselves and then decide whether they want to try it or not. If they decide they're wasting their time, they don't have to upload.

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There are hundreds if not thousands of sites like photocase

are they as successfull as photocase is?

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däfi - 19. Jan 2009 13:33

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You can't run a photo site and allow personal preferences to influence content. That's just arrogance mixed up with narcissism.

Why not? Nobody forces you to join Photocase, nobody even forces you to as much as _visit_ Photocase. (Hence my advice to jog along.)

Your thinking to be entitled to impose your own design on a website you didn't even invest a penny in might just as well be called arrogance and narcissism.

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dexter - 19. Jan 2009 13:46

@muffinmaker
"I have more than 300 images in an agency where Yuri Arcurs had not the slightest chance of being accepted"

We should put this on a banner Smile

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Editorial - 19. Jan 2009 14:02

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but please show respect for the work of others. Don't call photos rubbish

Alright dexter, since you've decided to focus exclusively on this comment and ignore everything else I've said, I was referring specifically to "your" work in particular!

Here's an example from your portfolio that serves to illustrate my point.


http://www.photocase.com/photodetail.asp?i=414

Not only has it zero comments, but somehow, you think that this type of content qualifies you to be a reviewer of other peoples work???

Please, give me a break!!!

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däfi - 19. Jan 2009 14:08

... he says, himself ignoring the call to explain his entitlement to such harsh critique, and further ridiculing himself by digging up a 6 years old photo and not one of the more recent and undeniably more sophisticated ones, like, say, that one: http://www.photocase.com/photodetail.asp?i=87947.

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